The Hub: Bogue Street



  • How'd the vote break down? Like I said, I'm really surprised they'd propose, again, basically the same plan which is out of conformity with the code on a number of issues.
  • edited December 2019
    Really interesting read. I was surprised to see the student group against the project, especially the part about the project destroying the "agricultural nature" of campus. lol

    Really just blows my mind that Core Spaces would waste their time in pushing this forward instead of trying to first discuss this with council and the community to see what they might accept. Because as proposed, there is no way this would get built under the current code.

    Oh, well. Like I've advocated for before, I don't see why the city doesn't just raise the max height in the downtown zoning district and East Village zoning district to 180 feet (what it is in Ann Arbor) or 200 feet with bonus components like affordable units, unique aspects, etc. Obviously, 140 feet is too small for the market, and 180 or 200 feet is still a full 100-120 feet off of what is generally considered the start of a skyscraper (300 feet). East Lansing is not a village; it's a full city of 50,000 permanent residences. But it still thinks of itself as a little college village. It's weird.
  • It seems interesting that they would say this plan is too tall. The street is a wide boulevard at that point and the college buildings are set back even further, seems like there would be no shadow problems there, I guess it is the density or number of "beds" they want to market to students. I think EL should be careful about turning down this project and going back to the bad old days of micro-managing these projects to death. It has taken decades to get this building boom rolling why stop it now?
  • "The Student Commission also said 'tall buildings remove the agricultural aesthetic around campus.'"
    That is an embarrassing statement.
  • Agreed, not even sure what that means? Do people want campus to be surrounded by cornfields? Like seriously, do people actually want that?
  • edited December 2019
    Apparently, the University Student Commission. lol

    I had to look them up. It's actually a city commission of 11 students who are supposed to help facilitate student/city relations, of which there appear to be some representation by the official student bodies on campus. The ASMSU appears to be represented along with Inter-Cooperative Conferece, the Interfraternity Council and the Panhellenic Council.

    It appears from the article that they said the Farmhouse frat refused to sell (and would be sandwiched between the two towers), so maybe it has something to do with that since the frats are represented on the commission.
  • The "agricultural nature" of campus is codeword for NIMBY.
  • Talking about the agricultural nature of the campus near Bogue and Grand River is, of course, a joke. That said, even I tend to agree that these buildings are a little tall as their proposed. I'm not totally against the height of these buildings but if I were dictator of EL I would go with 8-10 floors here. I still love the design of these buildings and if the city can reach some sort of bargain ensuring more high quality materials will be used up to the higher floors and along more sides of the buildings then that's the kind of bargain I'd like to see made when negotiating things like zoning variances or even tax incentives. It's the quality of design and construction that should matter to the city and long term residents, it's what ensures the building will be desirable for decades to come, long after the initial developer is out of the picture.
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