Today in the LSJ.com an artical pointed out that there will the need for at least 7,500 housing units in Greater Lansing due to many large employers opening new facilities that will offer thousands of new jobs. It seems like we are improving the infrastructure [roads drains power production sewers etc.] for that, but not in the housing area. My ideas about a new MLK which I think could be a two wide lane straight boulevard [in the path of old Logan Street] with wide sidewalks bike lanes, and smaller median with "Michigan left turns" and left turn lanes at traffic lights. This would open up a lot of space for housing development.
I hope that I have added some interesting opinions and observations. I am not an expert in any of these areas, but I do remember the old Logan Street which was very busy of course but full of life homes businesses and the thing that the big boulevard and M-99 projects never included which is people. These days a lot of folks will support or not support an issue having not much knowledge about the issue they are opining about. [support for Hamas, MAGA, all guns all the time, stop support for Ukraine, keep the boulevard] which make no sense to people on the other side of their position, I hope that I am not one of those people. I have been interested in Lansing development since I was a boy in the '60s. which is why I really enjoy this site. I don't think we really need "gate keepers" to keep people on subject, or pointing out someone's post if they find it inappropriate, as this is a casual discussion site, IMO not a professional site, so it's OK to be wrong about something or have it pointed out. I enjoy the more technical observations by folks who do know more about these issues than I do, but I believe there is a space for everyone expert or not. "Be nice" is my moto!
I'd agree with you @gbdinlansing. I'd love to see some hybrid of this plan. The median is huge, and 6 lanes are definitely not needed. Is it really necessary to removed the median? Any street in the area that has a middle lane is often used for many other purposes than what it's intended for. People use it for merging, passing, etc. I feel like a reduced median that maintains the Michigan lefts and reduced lanes would be safer and something most, on both sides of the argument, could get behind.
I'd think a four lane boulevard with a wider median than what the city was proposing should reasonably satisfy most parties, I'd be all for it. I generally like boulevards when there's space and a need for them.
Just an observation, I have had reason to travel on E. Michigan Ave and found that it looks really terrible with the trees all cut down. I would suppose there are not many who remember what Michigan Ave. looked like before those trees were planted in the '70s, but I do and that is how it looks today. No trees and a lot of shabby looking store fronts and homes. These features were less visible behind trees but now stand out again. After the street has been rebuilt it would be good if the city focused on the "bad teeth" on the avenue, renovating or building new retail space and housing. While I am hoping the street's improvements will help spur redevelopment when it is finished, I have sympathy for the businesses along the street during that process as it does not look very welcoming now. I also noticed the Jerusalem Bakery was closed and being renovated? I hope that is the case I really love that shop.
I discovered when looking into MDOT's decommissioning of the Capitol Loop through downtown that they essentially cut a deal with Lansing that transfered part of East Michigan Avenue from around Highland to Detroit Street back to MDOT. This stretch the avenue has been in and out of state jurisdiction for decades, but it looks like it's firmly back and extends M-143 to just two blocks east of the Lansing city limits at Kipling-Mifflin. I also found out that despite being in the township between Kipling-Mifflin and Clippert, that this section of Michigan has always been under the jurisdiction of either MDOT or the city, which is not something I knew was possible.
Also, appears that the MDOT project along Oakland and Saginaw through town is moving along. Noticed that they have placed the traffic signals at Oakland and Penn on mast arms. Though these look weirdly bulky. But it may just be me still getting used to not seeing them hanging from span wires. I'd like to see the city, itself, invest in mast arms, at least at major intersections.
I can only imagine how the current Michigan Ave rehab would've went with Lansing Township controlling a few blocks. I had naively thought that the city and township had somehow managed to work together, I guess cooperation (thankfully) wasn't required.
Hey, what's the app where you report things like bad roads and such, again? Since they've switched Allegan and Ottawa to two-way, for those of us who rarely or never drove in the southern most lane of Allegan and have to, now, you notice that between Butler and the driveway to the State Library-Historical Center there are TWO really bad dips in the road where some manhole covers are. They are bad enough that they can bend a rim or something. I've learned to avoid them, now, but it takes you into the center turn lane. It's quite unsafe.
The funny thing is that they've fixed a few others (one at Michigan and Grand) at the same time they did the road conversion. lol
I have been wondering what is holding up the repaving of E. Michigan by the Red Cedar development. All the water works are flowing, and it would seem all work except for the paving has been done. Does the Red Cedar development have a place name?
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I hope that I have added some interesting opinions and observations. I am not an expert in any of these areas, but I do remember the old Logan Street which was very busy of course but full of life homes businesses and the thing that the big boulevard and M-99 projects never included which is people. These days a lot of folks will support or not support an issue having not much knowledge about the issue they are opining about. [support for Hamas, MAGA, all guns all the time, stop support for Ukraine, keep the boulevard] which make no sense to people on the other side of their position, I hope that I am not one of those people. I have been interested in Lansing development since I was a boy in the '60s. which is why I really enjoy this site. I don't think we really need "gate keepers" to keep people on subject, or pointing out someone's post if they find it inappropriate, as this is a casual discussion site, IMO not a professional site, so it's OK to be wrong about something or have it pointed out. I enjoy the more technical observations by folks who do know more about these issues than I do, but I believe there is a space for everyone expert or not. "Be nice" is my moto!
Also, love your motto lol.
Also, appears that the MDOT project along Oakland and Saginaw through town is moving along. Noticed that they have placed the traffic signals at Oakland and Penn on mast arms. Though these look weirdly bulky. But it may just be me still getting used to not seeing them hanging from span wires. I'd like to see the city, itself, invest in mast arms, at least at major intersections.
Looks like the conversion of Allegan and Ottawa is happening, now, without waiting for MLK:
https://x.com/MI_TCRPC/status/1831794952164016492
The funny thing is that they've fixed a few others (one at Michigan and Grand) at the same time they did the road conversion. lol
https://www.lansingmi.gov/697/Report-an-Issue-Through-Lansing-Connect