Couldn't get in because the parking lot was full or something else? I didn't think the lot filled up that often. If you still want to try it, the ramp on the MSU side of Grand River is free after 6pm I think, and has plenty of parking.
Yes, last time I was there it was free on the evenings and weekends, with the exception of the night before a home football game and the day of the home football games.
This is the big reason why the City didn't want MSU to build their parking ramp on Grand River. They were upset that MSU would not charge on evenings and weekends, and essentially compete with the paid ramps that EL owns. It's also why there is no left-turn in to the ramp from westbound Grand River, because the City had a say and wanted to restrict how many people could get to the ramp. If the city could have really had their way they wouldn't have even put an entrance along Grand River, but MSU said that they would have fought to get the entrance on Grand River.
Why would that be a traffic nightmare? There are left-turns from the east-bound lanes, they usually have a cutout so as not to disrupt the other two lanes of traffic.
Yeah, I agree it's traffic 101, but I haven't understood why Grand River in East Lansing has basically zero left-turns going westbound, but multiple going eastbound. Shouldn't it be more balanced?
I honestly think or dream that a thru traffic tunnel maybe two lanes from Harrison ending at Park Lake road would tame the surface traffic by removing thru traffic. No other exits except maybe for west bound Grand River Ave. I am just thinking out load trying to come up with ideas that would make Downtown East Lansing more livable, I know that no one is considering building a tunnel.
With the Park District proposal the city granted the bonds but not the interest payments, saying that it didn't make sense for the city to provide basically an interest-free loan. I think it would be quite a walk backwards for the city to provide the interest-free loan to this project.
LSJ:
This type of proposal is new to the city, because the developer is asking for property tax reimbursement to pay off the bond. Harbor Bay is proposing to capture 90% of the new property taxes generated from the project for 30 years to cover that cost as well as to reimburse the costs of demolition and environmental cleanup.
The local and state taxing authorities would collect the remaining 10% of the new taxes during that time frame. The projected is estimated to generate roughly $600,000 a year for East Lansing. It currently generates $36,000.
Bell said the project would bring in additional revenue to the city through parking fees in the garage and ground lease payments.
The proposal failed to pass in front of the planning commission last night, on a 4-4 split vote. The planning commission's vote is a recommendation to council, not literally blocking the project. The project will have a public hearing in front of the city council on May 9th.
One of the changes noted in this last iteration is the removal of one of the floors of parking on the Albert Ave lot to five floors, reducing the overall height of the building to 11 stories.
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Couldn't get in because the parking lot was full or something else? I didn't think the lot filled up that often. If you still want to try it, the ramp on the MSU side of Grand River is free after 6pm I think, and has plenty of parking.
I did not know about the free parking at the MSU ramp. Is it also free on weekend?
Yes, last time I was there it was free on the evenings and weekends, with the exception of the night before a home football game and the day of the home football games.
This is the big reason why the City didn't want MSU to build their parking ramp on Grand River. They were upset that MSU would not charge on evenings and weekends, and essentially compete with the paid ramps that EL owns. It's also why there is no left-turn in to the ramp from westbound Grand River, because the City had a say and wanted to restrict how many people could get to the ramp. If the city could have really had their way they wouldn't have even put an entrance along Grand River, but MSU said that they would have fought to get the entrance on Grand River.
Why would that be a traffic nightmare? There are left-turns from the east-bound lanes, they usually have a cutout so as not to disrupt the other two lanes of traffic.
Yeah, I agree it's traffic 101, but I haven't understood why Grand River in East Lansing has basically zero left-turns going westbound, but multiple going eastbound. Shouldn't it be more balanced?
I honestly think or dream that a thru traffic tunnel maybe two lanes from Harrison ending at Park Lake road would tame the surface traffic by removing thru traffic. No other exits except maybe for west bound Grand River Ave. I am just thinking out load trying to come up with ideas that would make Downtown East Lansing more livable, I know that no one is considering building a tunnel.
With the Park District proposal the city granted the bonds but not the interest payments, saying that it didn't make sense for the city to provide basically an interest-free loan. I think it would be quite a walk backwards for the city to provide the interest-free loan to this project.
This type of proposal is new to the city, because the developer is asking for property tax reimbursement to pay off the bond. Harbor Bay is proposing to capture 90% of the new property taxes generated from the project for 30 years to cover that cost as well as to reimburse the costs of demolition and environmental cleanup.
The local and state taxing authorities would collect the remaining 10% of the new taxes during that time frame. The projected is estimated to generate roughly $600,000 a year for East Lansing. It currently generates $36,000.
Bell said the project would bring in additional revenue to the city through parking fees in the garage and ground lease payments.
I guess I commented on the E.L. page, this looks so great. As they say in Massachusetts "cross yah fingahs" maybe it will be as nice as the drawings.
The proposal failed to pass in front of the planning commission last night, on a 4-4 split vote. The planning commission's vote is a recommendation to council, not literally blocking the project. The project will have a public hearing in front of the city council on May 9th.
One of the changes noted in this last iteration is the removal of one of the floors of parking on the Albert Ave lot to five floors, reducing the overall height of the building to 11 stories.
http://www.lansingstatejournal.com/story/news/local/2017/04/27/center-city-project-splits-east-lansing-planning-commission/100968444/