Just a side note! The new maintenance man at my building had been working at the Skyvue building and told me he quite there because the workload was just too much as the building has many defects, and now that people actually live there they have to fix several problems a day. I have sort gotten used to the building but I always thought it looked kind of cheap and the only flair of it's design is up on the top floor where no one can see it. Let's do better with the Red Cedar project!
This is in response to the Arcadia posts a few pages back...I couldn't figure out a way to quote the text. Sabatoa - you said the East Side is really attracting residents. I lived on the east side for over a decade and it seemed like we always heard, in not so clear terms, that the gentrification of the east side was just around the corner. Honestly, as a homeowner, I got seriously sick of waiting, and moved to the PNW. Do you think the east side is REALLY at a tipping point, or is it just a bunch of young people who want cheap housing because they're MSU students, as well as urban holdouts who send their kids to catholic school?
No. I see Lansing as an incredibly racist region. Even the liberals with means, as evidenced by much of the State of Michigan and Michigan State Univeristy staff with children avoiding Lansing real estate at all costs. It was perhaps the most sad thing about living there, just ahead of tearing down anything of history, and allowing Gillespie to ruin the place.
In almost any other city in the state besides maybe Flint and Saginaw, a place like the east side of Lansing would have seen at least some real, positive gentrification by now. As for right now, it appears to still be cheap housing for grad students, poor blacks, and a few hippies who think they speak for everyone by running a farmers’ market.
I do care about Lansing, which is why it's so damn sad to see the same forces at play year after year.
It used to be that middle income people with children raised their families on the east side. Now we see white people there who list their addresses as East Lansing to avoid Lansing schools or send their kids to Lansing Catholic, or they move to EL, Holt or Williamston.
Other than that, the east side has a very large gay and lesbian population and older liberals who don't care about the schools, MSU grad students, and a large population of low-income blacks. Having lived there and been a member of the community for a long time, I do know what the demographic is. I'm not putting value on one group over another, except to say that middle income whites with children avoid the area like the plague.
But true change for the better doesn't happen when all the development that is happening is by a former suburban real estate developer who keeps tearing down history and putting up trash. Lansing seems so desperate for any development that they let this no talent ass clown put up anything he wants.
The negative comments don't help Lansing. The Lansing area knows pretty well its challenges, and we don't take each opportunity of progress for granted.
@subterranean This forum isn't here for brash generalizations about populations. Please take the incendiary comments some place else.
Incendiary? Sorry I’m not a card carrying member of the positive people party and instead a realist who reports on facts. I asked if real change was happening or if it was the same small town politics and Gillespie hand job that it was when I left.
This place is an incestuous backwater that would rather tuck its head in the sand about the place than to look in the mirror. It’s hindering its progress as an actual livable place where people choose to stay.
I'm pretty sure you knew the answer to your questions before you asked them. Progress is slow and some developments have taken many years longer than they had initially proposed. The value of land in the region isn't high enough yet to create a building craze, but I'm sure you knew that too.
I was asked by subterranean via private message to delete their account. I have marked the account as "banned" and decided not to delete their comments as the responses to the comments would become out of context.
Hey, sub--- Lansing is also home to some very nice pot shops, I suggest you find someone with a card to get you some and smoke it! You need to chill out! I grew up in Lansing [when it was racist] I lived elsewhere for thirty years and returned to my hometown to enjoy an affordable retirement in this beautiful city. It seems like you have no idea what Lansing is today in 2018, and I am here to tell you its not the place you describe, an idea of a place that you think you know for some reason are vulgarly defending. I only have to think for a moment to find a "nice middle-class neighborhood" on the east side of Lansing. It is right next to 127 and behind the Chevy dealership. That is only one "nice area"!. Is Lansing an "incestuous backwater" when we are looking at over 3 billion dollars in Greater Lansing developments, and it is home to over a half million people? Many folks here do not really like the designs of Mr. Gillespie's developments and say so without being nasty. Your use of these vulgarities indicates to me that you watch "FOXNEWS" and you are looking to light up and troll some folks that are only looking for positive change in our community. We are not looking for a debate over your false and uninformed views. Livable is in the eye of the beholder, we still have housing that low-income families can afford, that's livable! Guess what? many of those folks are Latin and African American Catholics who send their kids to the new Eastern/Pattengill school as well as Lansing CC. Your issues have no bases, in fact, my friend.
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Just a side note! The new maintenance man at my building had been working at the Skyvue building and told me he quite there because the workload was just too much as the building has many defects, and now that people actually live there they have to fix several problems a day. I have sort gotten used to the building but I always thought it looked kind of cheap and the only flair of it's design is up on the top floor where no one can see it. Let's do better with the Red Cedar project!
This is in response to the Arcadia posts a few pages back...I couldn't figure out a way to quote the text. Sabatoa - you said the East Side is really attracting residents. I lived on the east side for over a decade and it seemed like we always heard, in not so clear terms, that the gentrification of the east side was just around the corner. Honestly, as a homeowner, I got seriously sick of waiting, and moved to the PNW. Do you think the east side is REALLY at a tipping point, or is it just a bunch of young people who want cheap housing because they're MSU students, as well as urban holdouts who send their kids to catholic school?
In almost any other city in the state besides maybe Flint and Saginaw, a place like the east side of Lansing would have seen at least some real, positive gentrification by now. As for right now, it appears to still be cheap housing for grad students, poor blacks, and a few hippies who think they speak for everyone by running a farmers’ market.
I do care about Lansing, which is why it's so damn sad to see the same forces at play year after year.
It used to be that middle income people with children raised their families on the east side. Now we see white people there who list their addresses as East Lansing to avoid Lansing schools or send their kids to Lansing Catholic, or they move to EL, Holt or Williamston.
Other than that, the east side has a very large gay and lesbian population and older liberals who don't care about the schools, MSU grad students, and a large population of low-income blacks. Having lived there and been a member of the community for a long time, I do know what the demographic is. I'm not putting value on one group over another, except to say that middle income whites with children avoid the area like the plague.
But true change for the better doesn't happen when all the development that is happening is by a former suburban real estate developer who keeps tearing down history and putting up trash. Lansing seems so desperate for any development that they let this no talent ass clown put up anything he wants.
The negative comments don't help Lansing. The Lansing area knows pretty well its challenges, and we don't take each opportunity of progress for granted.
@subterranean This forum isn't here for brash generalizations about populations. Please take the incendiary comments some place else.
This place is an incestuous backwater that would rather tuck its head in the sand about the place than to look in the mirror. It’s hindering its progress as an actual livable place where people choose to stay.
Wow, that got super weird. Is that the same 'subterranean' that's on SSP?
Hey, sub--- Lansing is also home to some very nice pot shops, I suggest you find someone with a card to get you some and smoke it! You need to chill out! I grew up in Lansing [when it was racist] I lived elsewhere for thirty years and returned to my hometown to enjoy an affordable retirement in this beautiful city. It seems like you have no idea what Lansing is today in 2018, and I am here to tell you its not the place you describe, an idea of a place that you think you know for some reason are vulgarly defending. I only have to think for a moment to find a "nice middle-class neighborhood" on the east side of Lansing. It is right next to 127 and behind the Chevy dealership. That is only one "nice area"!. Is Lansing an "incestuous backwater" when we are looking at over 3 billion dollars in Greater Lansing developments, and it is home to over a half million people? Many folks here do not really like the designs of Mr. Gillespie's developments and say so without being nasty. Your use of these vulgarities indicates to me that you watch "FOXNEWS" and you are looking to light up and troll some folks that are only looking for positive change in our community. We are not looking for a debate over your false and uninformed views. Livable is in the eye of the beholder, we still have housing that low-income families can afford, that's livable! Guess what? many of those folks are Latin and African American Catholics who send their kids to the new Eastern/Pattengill school as well as Lansing CC. Your issues have no bases, in fact, my friend.